Comments on: Once again, Pac-10 expansion unlikely http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/623/ Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:32:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Shawn http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/623/#comment-1027 Shawn Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:10:54 +0000 http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/#comment-1027 The win gave the Mountain West Conference a 6-1 record against the Pac-10 this season. This most certainly does not fit with the mentality of the PAC-10. The win gave the Mountain West Conference a 6-1 record against the Pac-10 this season.

This most certainly does not fit with the mentality of the PAC-10.

]]> By: Shawn http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/623/#comment-1024 Shawn Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:40:47 +0000 http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/#comment-1024 Chris, just exactly what is the 'mentallity' of the PAC 10? Are BYU and Utah a little too dry and serious for the party schools of the PAC 10? Seriously, outside of Stanford and Cal, it's not exactly Ivy League education now is it. And what does religion and conservatism have to do with sports? I don't think the debate teams are held to conference schedules. I haven't heard of basketball teams alternating religious press conferences before or even after games. I haven't heard of too many schools who don't want to associate with Notre Dame because of their conservative religious views. You sound like such an elitist. While its true the PAC 10 is a great conference, you boys on the coast are having a tough year so far. Maybe you didn't like the 'mentality' of BYU hanging 59-0 on the Bruins this year or the other wins handed down by the lowly MWC. The ONLY reason why the PAC 10 would ever think about adding BYU or Utah or anyone else is to make more money. But please, do explain the 'mentality' of the PAC 10 - I can't wait to read it. Chris, just exactly what is the ‘mentallity’ of the PAC 10? Are BYU and Utah a little too dry and serious for the party schools of the PAC 10? Seriously, outside of Stanford and Cal, it’s not exactly Ivy League education now is it. And what does religion and conservatism have to do with sports? I don’t think the debate teams are held to conference schedules. I haven’t heard of basketball teams alternating religious press conferences before or even after games. I haven’t heard of too many schools who don’t want to associate with Notre Dame because of their conservative religious views. You sound like such an elitist. While its true the PAC 10 is a great conference, you boys on the coast are having a tough year so far. Maybe you didn’t like the ‘mentality’ of BYU hanging 59-0 on the Bruins this year or the other wins handed down by the lowly MWC. The ONLY reason why the PAC 10 would ever think about adding BYU or Utah or anyone else is to make more money. But please, do explain the ‘mentality’ of the PAC 10 - I can’t wait to read it.

]]> By: Chris http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/623/#comment-1009 Chris Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:29:57 +0000 http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/#comment-1009 BYU and Utah do look like good candidates, but the culture of those schools does not fit with the Pac 10. they claim excellent academics, but only BYU can really make that claim, the U of U is just about the same as other MWC schools and BYU only has a Pac 10 shot with the U. Both of these schools are very religiously, and conservatively based and don't fit with the mentality of the pac 10. BYU and Utah do look like good candidates, but the culture of those schools does not fit with the Pac 10. they claim excellent academics, but only BYU can really make that claim, the U of U is just about the same as other MWC schools and BYU only has a Pac 10 shot with the U. Both of these schools are very religiously, and conservatively based and don’t fit with the mentality of the pac 10.

]]> By: Drew http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/623/#comment-988 Drew Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:22:37 +0000 http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/#comment-988 Utah and BYU make perfect sense for any additions to the Pac 10. Fresno St, Boise St. SDSU, UNLV, and especially SJSU cannot even compare. 1. The academic standards are better than all other candidates and already in the realm of the Pac 10 Standards. 2. The Salt Lake TV market is the best available. Actually larger than Tucson (AZ) and Eugene (OU), Spokane (WSU),and all other candidates with exception to San Diego 3. Proven consistently good programs in both football and basketball. 4. This is a huge rivalry that is geographically, politically, and religiously charged. No other rivalry offers those dynamics. 5. Currently they are sustaining a conference virtually by themselves. 6. Both schools have fans that travel well. BYU’s recent game at UCLA was almost a neutral game due to the large BYU contingent. BYU has a similar following to Notre Dame, (fans wherever they go). Utah’s Fiesta Bowl in O4 was a virtual home game due the vast majority of Ute fans. Utah and BYU make perfect sense for any additions to the Pac 10. Fresno St, Boise St. SDSU, UNLV, and especially SJSU cannot even compare.

1. The academic standards are better than all other candidates and already in the realm of the Pac 10 Standards.
2. The Salt Lake TV market is the best available. Actually larger than Tucson (AZ) and Eugene (OU), Spokane (WSU),and all other candidates with exception to San Diego
3. Proven consistently good programs in both football and basketball.
4. This is a huge rivalry that is geographically, politically, and religiously charged. No other rivalry offers those dynamics.
5. Currently they are sustaining a conference virtually by themselves.
6. Both schools have fans that travel well. BYU’s recent game at UCLA was almost a neutral game due to the large BYU contingent. BYU has a similar following to Notre Dame, (fans wherever they go). Utah’s Fiesta Bowl in O4 was a virtual home game due the vast majority of Ute fans.

]]> By: jerry http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/623/#comment-984 jerry Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:55:24 +0000 http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/#comment-984 If you're going to expand in the PAC-10 I would like to see SDSU and UNLV . How do you expand and not include these two schools? Both schools are rivals, geographically it makes sense, and they both bring some great cities to the PAC-10. Also not mention both schools have had considerable success in basketball. In the last three years SDSU (20-13, 22-11, 24-9) one MWC League Championship, one MWC Tournament Championship, one trips to the NIT and one to the NCAA. UNLV (27-8, 30-7, 17-13) two MWC Tournament Championships and 2 trips to the NCAA . You compare that with Arizona State and Oregon State in basketball over the last three years. OSU (13-18, 6-26, 11-21) and ASU (11-17, 8-22, 21-13) only one post season appearance between the both of them. SDSU would be competitive after a couple of years in every sport with the influx of BCS money and keeping more of the local talent in San Diego. The League could be split. PAC-12 North Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Oregon St, Washington, and Washington State South UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State, San Diego State, and UNLV If you’re going to expand in the PAC-10 I would like to see SDSU and UNLV . How do you expand and not include these two schools? Both schools are rivals, geographically it makes sense, and they both bring some great cities to the PAC-10. Also not mention both schools have had considerable success in basketball. In the last three years SDSU (20-13, 22-11, 24-9) one MWC League Championship, one MWC Tournament Championship, one trips to the NIT and one to the NCAA. UNLV (27-8, 30-7, 17-13) two MWC Tournament Championships and 2 trips to the NCAA . You compare that with Arizona State and Oregon State in basketball over the last three years. OSU (13-18, 6-26, 11-21) and ASU (11-17, 8-22, 21-13) only one post season appearance between the both of them. SDSU would be competitive after a couple of years in every sport with the influx of BCS money and keeping more of the local talent in San Diego. The League could be split.
PAC-12
North
Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Oregon St, Washington, and Washington State
South
UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State, San Diego State, and UNLV

]]> By: Chris http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/623/#comment-979 Chris Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:37:49 +0000 http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/#comment-979 I know the PAC 10 does not wnat to expand, but lets say in a few years the college athletics landscape changes and they are sort of forced to do it. They might want to consider UNLV as a serious candidate. It is in a fairly large TV market, fits the geographical footprint, and is an excellent travel destination city. Vegas is practically So Cal anyway with the culture. Granted the football program needs a little work, but throw some BCS money at it and it would be respectable. UNLV is on a serious up swing in b-ball and would right now finish in the top 2-4 in the PAC 10. UNLV also has some other decent sports programs such as W. Soccer, W. Volleyball M&W swimming, and M&W golf. Not only that, it is the premere academic institution in Nevada and it houses a dental school and a top 100 law school. I think UNLV would be a great fit in th PAC 10. I know the PAC 10 does not wnat to expand, but lets say in a few years the college athletics landscape changes and they are sort of forced to do it. They might want to consider UNLV as a serious candidate. It is in a fairly large TV market, fits the geographical footprint, and is an excellent travel destination city. Vegas is practically So Cal anyway with the culture. Granted the football program needs a little work, but throw some BCS money at it and it would be respectable. UNLV is on a serious up swing in b-ball and would right now finish in the top 2-4 in the PAC 10. UNLV also has some other decent sports programs such as W. Soccer, W. Volleyball M&W swimming, and M&W golf. Not only that, it is the premere academic institution in Nevada and it houses a dental school and a top 100 law school. I think UNLV would be a great fit in th PAC 10.

]]> By: mike http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/623/#comment-966 mike Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:17:42 +0000 http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/#comment-966 There's a ncaa rule that states a school can not be a member of conference in one sport if their primary conference sponsors that sport. In other words SJS and Stanford would have to be either a full member or not at all. Also very unlikely the pac 10 would ever consider football only member, no benefit at all to them. There’s a ncaa rule that states a school can not be a member of conference in one sport if their primary conference sponsors that sport. In other words SJS and Stanford would have to be either a full member or not at all. Also very unlikely the pac 10 would ever consider football only member, no benefit at all to them.

]]> By: Steve in Concord http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/623/#comment-965 Steve in Concord Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:08:02 +0000 http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/#comment-965 Excuse me. Duke is an ACC team. They were 1-11 this past year and that one win was against an out of conference team. Excuse me. Duke is an ACC team. They were 1-11 this past year and that one win was against an out of conference team.

]]> By: Steve in Concord http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/623/#comment-964 Steve in Concord Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:55:40 +0000 http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/#comment-964 What I meant is that Stanford and SJS should swap conference affiliations for FOOTBALL ONLY. Stanford has many excellent sports programs but football isn't one of them. Duke always has an excellent basketball team. They almost always are dead last in the SEC in football. Stanford woulfd probably be very competitive in the WAC conference in football, and isn't that what sports is about..being competitive? Why be a perennial doormat in the PAC-10 just to maintain their "status" of being a PAC-10 fooball team. What I meant is that Stanford and SJS should swap conference affiliations for FOOTBALL ONLY. Stanford has many excellent sports programs but football isn’t one of them. Duke always has an excellent basketball team. They almost always are dead last in the SEC in football. Stanford woulfd probably be very competitive in the WAC conference in football, and isn’t that what sports is about..being competitive? Why be a perennial doormat in the PAC-10 just to maintain their “status” of being a PAC-10 fooball team.

]]> By: Alan http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/623/#comment-963 Alan Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:51:42 +0000 http://bloggingwiththedevils.freedomblogging.com/2008/07/22/once-again-pac-10-expansion-unlikely/#comment-963 It amazes me how many people don't realize that the Pac-10 has no desire to expand. I recently graduated from Oregon, so I'm very much a Pac-10 fan, and now I'm at Fresno State for graduate school. I was recently talking with a die-hard Fresno State sports fan here who adamently believes it's just a matter of time before the Pac-10 expands to add most likely Fresno State and either Boise State, Utah, or BYU. And I noticed both with him and with many other people online, a lot of people tend to not even take into account how good a school is at any sport other than football when talking about how they think the Pac-10 should and will expand soon. Not to mention the TV market thing talked about in this blog. Besides, as a fan, I love that the Pac-10 can play a full round-robin schedule to decide the football champion on the field better than any other BCS conference other than the Big East. (Granted, they only have 8 teams, so it's not like a huge sacrifice or anything...) Not to mention being able to play a full double round-robin schedule for basketball and volleyball for a much more balanced and fair conference schedule than any other top conference. And with the 10 schools we've got right now, not only do the rivalries work out so well, but the traveling and scheduling works so well for those double round-robin schedules since you and your local traveling partner can travel to just one location for a weekend and get two games in. Bottom line, I like the Pac-10 the way it is now with 10 teams. It amazes me how many people don’t realize that the Pac-10 has no desire to expand. I recently graduated from Oregon, so I’m very much a Pac-10 fan, and now I’m at Fresno State for graduate school. I was recently talking with a die-hard Fresno State sports fan here who adamently believes it’s just a matter of time before the Pac-10 expands to add most likely Fresno State and either Boise State, Utah, or BYU.

And I noticed both with him and with many other people online, a lot of people tend to not even take into account how good a school is at any sport other than football when talking about how they think the Pac-10 should and will expand soon. Not to mention the TV market thing talked about in this blog.

Besides, as a fan, I love that the Pac-10 can play a full round-robin schedule to decide the football champion on the field better than any other BCS conference other than the Big East. (Granted, they only have 8 teams, so it’s not like a huge sacrifice or anything…) Not to mention being able to play a full double round-robin schedule for basketball and volleyball for a much more balanced and fair conference schedule than any other top conference.

And with the 10 schools we’ve got right now, not only do the rivalries work out so well, but the traveling and scheduling works so well for those double round-robin schedules since you and your local traveling partner can travel to just one location for a weekend and get two games in.

Bottom line, I like the Pac-10 the way it is now with 10 teams.

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